Date is 2011-11-10, times are UTC+01.
22:59 <+alanc> oh duh, I do have the password to the elections committee mailman 23:00 <+alanc> just had to dig deeper in old e-mail 23:01 <+alanc> good afternoon, btw 23:01 <stukreit> hi! 23:01 <+emmes> good news. and hi. 23:04 <+alanc> okay, firstname.lastname@example.org updated now 23:04 <+alanc> nothing like meeting time to remind you to clear action items from previous meetings 23:05 <+alanc> I unsubscribed all previous members and subscribed myself, anholt, stukreit & bart, and also listed us as admins/moderators in case stuff gets stuck in spam filters 23:06 <+alanc> so are our other members here? agd5f? keithp? don't see bart or anholt in channel, and mherrb said he was travelling this week 23:06 <agd5f> hi 23:07 <+alanc> that makes 4 of us 23:08 <+alanc> stukreit: want to start off with treasurer's report? everything taken care of for getting money from google? 23:08 <keithp> alanc: hi 23:09 <stukreit> we did get the application form submitted on time 23:10 <stukreit> and have a PO number. I just pinged Stephane again about whether he'd write the invoice against this PO 23:10 <+Bart_Massey> Apologies for my lateness as usual. 23:10 <stukreit> And I have an email from Donnie with travel receipts, so his thing will go into the invoice and we'll flow the $$. 23:11 <stukreit> I need to talk to Justin, our sflc rep about whether he saw the prev. year's gsoc funds come, because his address is still on the PO. 23:12 <stukreit> Also, don't remember whether I reported last time: we have cleared up and are all paid up with IIT, so the ACM guys should be content now. 23:12 <stukreit> EOF 23:13 <stukreit> xof, ttfn... 23:13 <+Bart_Massey> peace. thanks for the report. 23:13 <+Bart_Massey> and thanks as always for the hard work. 23:14 <agd5f> we may owe taxes in delaware again soon 23:15 <stukreit> Are you the one who finds that stuff out? 23:15 <agd5f> sflc let me know last time when we were working on the 501c3 stuff 23:15 <agd5f> they are still the contacts for all that stuff 23:16 <agd5f> they recommended we get a real address 23:16 <+Bart_Massey> i thought stukreit got a box near him? 23:16 <stukreit> I volunteered my home address for 5 years. I'll ask Justin about this. 23:16 <+Bart_Massey> perfect 23:17 <agd5f> let me see if I can find out about the taxes on the delaware website 23:19 <agd5f> ok, I paid it for 2010 when I paid for 2009, but we'll need to pay 2011 next year 23:19 <agd5f> for reference the site is https://delecorp.delaware.gov/eCorp/LoginAnnualReportsCLF 23:21 <agd5f> also, FWIW, the old xorg llc still owes several thousand in back taxes 23:21 <stukreit> I do not know this. Do you have paperwork? 23:22 <stukreit> Are we accumulating penalties and interest? 23:22 <agd5f> stukreit: karen mentioned it back when we were working on the 501c3 23:23 <agd5f> the new delaware corp isn't responsible for them 23:23 <mherrb> ho - sorry to be late. Forgot that in .pt I was 1hr early 23:24 <+alanc> welcome, thought you weren't coming at all this week 23:24 <stukreit> agd5f: ok, I'll let it lie. 23:24 <+alanc> so are we done with treasury matters? 23:25 <stukreit> unless anyone has questions or is waiting on anything.. 23:25 <+alanc> and for those who came late, I found the elections committee mailman password today and updated the list, so we should start discussing election calendar there soon 23:25 <agd5f> still might be worth talking to sflc about them at some point 23:26 <stukreit> 'k, I'll mention it. 23:26 <+alanc> libv sent mail about FOSDEM & XDC 23:27 <+alanc> sounds like FOSDEM is looking good for a joint Xorg/Wayland/ICC devroom for the weekend 23:27 <+alanc> and there's nothing the board needs to do unless/until people request travel funding to go there 23:28 <+alanc> as for XDC, I guess we need to ping airlied to see how serious he is about putting forth a Dublin proposal so we can decide soonish between that & the Nuremberg one 23:29 <agd5f> sounds good 23:29 <+emmes> yes, the earlier this is decided the better. 23:29 <mherrb> I agree 23:29 <mupuf> who will talk about wayland at the FOSDEM? 23:30 <+emmes> mupuf: this is nothing the board decides :-) 23:30 <marcoz> mupuf, are you volunteering? 23:30 <+alanc> I thought keithp had some wayland talks lined up 23:30 <mupuf> no, no. I was just wondering 23:31 <mupuf> alanc: IIRC, he wasn't sure he would get his travel funding accepted 23:31 <agd5f> I think libv has a list 23:31 <keithp> alanc: Kristian was asked to speak about wayland in the main track; I haven't gotten funding for some other wayland adventures yet though 23:31 <+emmes> keithp: but if he's already in europe for the main track, a second talk about a different, similar topic might be possible *g* 23:32 <keithp> emmes: indeed 23:32 <keithp> I don't know the status of his main track talk 23:33 <+emmes> something else: 23:33 <+emmes> As libv (and earlier Michael) noted, there was a major hickup with paying fees for XDC. 23:33 <+emmes> We can't do anything about it anymore, but I think we seriously owe them an apology. 23:34 <+emmes> Given that they had their student's rights taken away - for some finite time. 23:34 <+alanc> it wasn't clear it was on our end though, since we'd already (over)paid and gotten a partial refund from the university at the time the student group was complaining to us 23:35 <+emmes> I think you have some information I'm missing here ;-) Or I missread something. 23:35 <stukreit> fwiw, it is ack'd that iit's accounting was confusing to work with 23:35 <+alanc> if we screwed up, then yes we should apologize 23:35 <+emmes> doesn't really cost us anything, and it does help everybody to feel better. 23:36 <stukreit> I would like to understand who/what I'm apologizing for. 23:36 <+Bart_Massey> It would be nice to have a detailed, accurate account of what happened, though. Does anybody know for sure? 23:37 <stukreit> I can tell you what was happening on my end of things. 23:37 <+emmes> I have a writeup from Michael, but I'd like to hear the story from a different point of view. 23:37 <+alanc> the mail that went to the board said that Stuart paid on Oct. 19, yet the ACM chapter contacted us on Oct. 27 23:37 <+emmes> Yes, appreciated! 23:38 <stukreit> Is Michael open about what he wrote up? I don't see it as particularly useful to our org. otherwise 23:39 <+emmes> I'll have to ask him to be on the correct side, but I'm pretty sure he's fine. I'll send it to the board mailing list 23:40 <+Bart_Massey> Thanks! 23:42 <+alanc> okay, so we'll be taking that to e-mail for the details? 23:42 <+emmes> I'd think so. It's easier to deal with. 23:43 <+alanc> okay, the other item I have a note asking to discuss today is the virtual book sprint, if Bart's had any time for organization on that 23:43 <+Bart_Massey> Not so much. 23:43 <+Bart_Massey> I've had some talks with the XCB folks about a workshop, though 23:44 <+Bart_Massey> I wish I could say we'd resolved it :-) 23:44 <+Bart_Massey> But I'll let the Board know as it progresses 23:44 <+Bart_Massey> I think right now we're in the planning dates and pricing venues stage 23:45 <+Bart_Massey> marcoz and I need to coordinate on the book sprint. 23:45 <+Bart_Massey> marcoz: where are you physically located these days? 23:46 <marcoz> Colorado 23:46 <+Bart_Massey> guess he's not around 23:46 <+Bart_Massey> oh, there you are :-) 23:46 <marcoz> sorry, stepped away for a bit 23:46 <+Bart_Massey> cool. give me a call on my cell sometime soon and we'll just discuss. 23:46 <+Bart_Massey> NP! 23:46 <marcoz> do I have your #? 23:46 <+Bart_Massey> XXX XXX XXXX 23:47 <marcoz> thx 23:47 <+Bart_Massey> Well, gtg: Got a meeting in a few minutes. come late, leave early, that's my motto 23:47 <+alanc> anything else anyone wants to discuss today? 23:48 <+Bart_Massey> thanks all! 23:48 <marcoz> anyone up for being interviewed for HPR? 23:48 <+alanc> oh, I vote to cancel the next meeting, since it falls on Thanksgiving in the US 23:48 <marcoz> thoughts on wiki rework? 23:48 <+Bart_Massey> alanc: +1 23:48 <+Bart_Massey> marcoz: HPR? 23:48 <marcoz> hackerpublicradio (.org) 23:48 <marcoz> public radio for hackers. 23:48 <+Bart_Massey> marcoz: happy to play anytime they like. lmk. 23:48 <marcoz> anyone can send in episodes. I did 4 interviews at XDC 23:49 <+Bart_Massey> marcoz: nice 23:49 <+emmes> alanc: +1 guess it doesn't make much sense in this case 23:49 <agd5f> +1 23:49 <stukreit> +1 23:49 <+Bart_Massey> See you all in about 4 weeks! 23:50 <+alanc> wiki reorganization is mostly an implementation detail the board leaves up to the development community to handle, unless you need us to allocate funding or something (though please don't stomp on the board pages without talking to us first so we know where to find them) 23:51 <marcoz> no funding, more of asking about thoughts on how to do it without stomping on what's there. 23:51 <mherrb> same goes for security pages. They are a bit of mess already since the last reorganization. 23:52 <marcoz> the last thing I want to do is reorg a reorg and make things worse. 23:53 <marcoz> i can't really do much until after Dec anyway. I want to finish the docbook stuff, but I wanted to get thoughts in advance 23:54 <mherrb> Are planning to stay with MoinMoin or switch to something else? If you stick with Moin it's easy to draft some pages... 23:54 <marcoz> mherrb: my initial thinking is mediawiki 23:55 <marcoz> but i realize that move isn't quick or easy and that the fd.o admins have to set things up right? 23:56 <mherrb> as far and I understand it yes. you can still draft stuff somewhere else though. 23:56 <marcoz> i'm thinking to set something up on a separate site to try things out. 23:57 <marcoz> soas to not step on things on the wiki. mupuf and I hashed some things out at XDC. I'm gonna take that and mediawiki and see what I can do. 23:58 <mupuf> marcoz: don't hesitate to ping me if you need help 23:58 <marcoz> mupuf, guaranteed I'll be pinging you. :) 23:58 <+alanc> yes, you'll need to talk to tollef or one of the other fd.o admins if you're considering a change of software 23:59 <+alanc> I do like the way the ikiwiki on xcb.freedesktop.org lets me git clone & push to the wiki, but that's far more hacker friendly than user friendly 00:00 <marcoz> my thinking is it has to be user friendly. I really want to get more people into X, especially wiki stuff, and I think something that's wellknown and used, like mediawiki, is probably the best bet. 00:01 <marcoz> i reserve the right to be completely wrong. 00:01 <+alanc> spam protection is essential 00:02 <+alanc> (not that I'm biased from being the one to hit the despam button 50 times a week on the current wiki) 00:02 <marcoz> yea, I see the wiki recent history. you're constantly busy with that. 00:03 <+alanc> having an e-mail subscription for the wiki page "*" helps me see it soon after the spam comes in 00:03 <marcheu> stukreit: RE invoice: haven't done it yet, I think the deadline is soon 00:03 <marcheu> stukreit: will get to it 00:03 <+alanc> most of the time it's just a matter of clicking the link in the e-mail, then clicking the despam link on the page 00:04 <stukreit> alanc: there is no invoice page. we have to write one up. I think there's 30 days for this, but if I can get marcheu to do it now, all the better ;-) 00:05 <+alanc> stukreit: I was still in the wiki conversation with marcoz, not talking about invoices 00:05 <+alanc> in any case, I think we've run out of board meeting, as we passed the hour