Date is 2014-02-06, times are UTC+10.
--- Day changed Fri Feb 07 2014 08:10 < whot> agenda: xdc payment updates, SPI updates, election updates, XDC updates 08:10 < mupuf> GSoC updates too 08:10 < whot> oh, right 08:11 < stukreit> how about a review of fosdem? 08:11 < whot> stukreit, mupuf: xdc payment sorted yet? 08:11 < mupuf> well, I didn't receive a payment from stukreit, AFAIK 08:11 < stukreit> I give up on finding exact numbers that people think they are owed. 08:12 < mupuf> a payment that I could re-route to emmes and david 08:12 < stukreit> it was something like 70 to 100 euros for 3 people 08:12 < stukreit> should I just ask them what they think the number is? 08:13 < whot> yes, they'll know the difference between what they paid and what they got reimbursed 08:14 < stukreit> k. I have the actual payment transactions in a folder in my bag here. 08:14 < stukreit> Need to push this along today. 08:15 < whot> ok, thanks. even if it's out by a few dollars here and there I'd rather have that done. We can take the hit of a few bucks easier than those requesting sponsorship 08:15 * whot remembers what life was as student 08:15 < stukreit> my offspring are students. I'm constantly shoveling money out 08:16 < stukreit> wait till they discover what the real world is like. hee hee 08:16 < mupuf> stukreit: :p 08:16 < whot> mupuf: can you make sure this gets distributed once you get it? by next meeting, preferably so I can take this of the agenda 08:17 * mupuf is ok on this side. We need to ask david 08:17 < mupuf> sure, I'll contact david and emmes to get their IBAN/BIC 08:17 < whot> ok, let's move on. mupuf, FOSDEM/Election updates? 08:17 < mupuf> sure 08:18 < mupuf> FOSDEM... Not sure what I should tell that I didn't write on G+ 08:18 < mupuf> it went very smoothly 08:18 < mupuf> the only problem was keithp not being able to come 08:18 < mupuf> we had a live stream running 08:18 < stukreit> what was libv's burning question? 08:18 < mupuf> and videos should be available soon 08:19 < mupuf> stukreit: ... can't remember :D Maybe it was "what is the point of the board?" or was it "What is our relation with freedesktop?" 08:19 < mupuf> Lucas Stasch asked us if we could fund gl compliance tests 08:19 < stukreit> ok. he should read the bylaws. 08:20 <+keithp> sorry guys, snowpocalypse here today 08:20 < mupuf> idr suggested the foundation could pay for validating swrast/llvm-pipe 08:20 < stukreit> cool! they say its coming to tahoe this weekend 08:20 < mupuf> amd already has the license, so they can validate the radeon driver 08:21 < mupuf> and nouveau... that's the real problem here 08:21 < stukreit> mupuf: I don't think we pay for projects outside of funding EVOC type arrangements 08:21 < mupuf> nvidia may want to certify the driver for Tegra K1 08:22 < mupuf> well, that's the thing, apparently, non-profit orgs could get the test suite for free 08:22 < mupuf> seems like it has been written with us in mind 08:22 <+alanc> so this would be more like our joining VESA to get access to their specs? 08:22 < mupuf> no idea 08:22 < agd5f> I suppose one of us that the hw companies could ask our respective GL teams :) 08:22 < mupuf> agd5f: for radeon, yes 08:23 < mupuf> conformances tests are only for gles 08:23 <+alanc> I think we'd need more details to consider it - it's not like paying someone to write code for us 08:23 < mupuf> for gl, the first version is for gl 4.x 08:23 < agd5f> mupuf, well, that too, but I mean to clarify who to contact about non-profits accessing the tests 08:23 < mupuf> agd5f: ah, ack :) 08:23 < mupuf> indeed 08:24 < mupuf> and we would need to find someone dedicated to running the tests 08:24 < mupuf> the tests aren't public and shouldn't become public 08:25 < mupuf> there was other interesting suggestions .... but I forgot them :s 08:25 < mupuf> I hope the video gets released soon 08:25 < mupuf> I wanted to take notes of all the suggestions after the presetnation, but I had already forgotten 08:26 < mupuf> it is somewhere in my memory, but ... i lost the index 08:26 <+alanc> I hate when I have memory leaks like that 08:26 < mupuf> right 08:26 < whot> fwiw, I agree with alanc, we need some detail of what this actually requires, how to get access, etc. 08:27 < mupuf> well, I also think this shouldn't be the board's work to figure out the details 08:27 < whot> getting access like this to members is somewhat the point of having the foundation, but first we need to know what we're about to do 08:27 < mupuf> I can contact lucas and ask him to get in touch with Khronos himself 08:27 < whot> and potentially what the repercussions are if the tests do leak, etc. 08:27 < mupuf> and we'll deal with Khronos to actually get the test suite 08:27 < agd5f> I can ask our GL team. That said, idr may be more familiar with it since he's more involved with it in general 08:28 < mupuf> yes, idr is very familiar with it 08:28 < whot> I'd punt this back to idr for more details first 08:28 < stukreit> Can idr be pressed into leading this work? 08:28 < mupuf> I guess we should start a thread on the xorg ML 08:29 < mupuf> for people interested in having a conformance test 08:29 < mupuf> apparently, pingutronix may be interested for nouveau and tegra (since they tend to merge) 08:30 < marcoz> also fwiw, i may not be the boards work to figure out the details but I think helping here is something the board should do 08:30 < marcoz> it 08:30 < mupuf> marcoz: agreed 08:30 < agd5f> on a similar topic, is there any interest in having xorg re-join vesa? Although I guess most of us have access via our day jobs 08:31 < stukreit> You could say that our VESA membership got us over a hump at the time, but unless someone makes a case to rejoin, we're good. 08:32 < agd5f> seems reasonable 08:33 < whot> ok, summary is: get more info from ian/lucas on what they want and what is required 08:33 < whot> anything else from FOSDEM? 08:33 < mupuf> so, do we agree that we should delegate this work to those interested? 08:33 < whot> definitely 08:33 < stukreit> +1 08:33 < marcoz> yes 08:34 < agd5f> +1 08:36 < whot> mupuf: anything else from FOSDEM? 08:36 < mupuf> well, we had good room occupation 08:36 <+alanc> +1 08:37 < mupuf> and I couldn't do the live coverage I wanted on G+ 08:37 * mupuf was too damn tired from not sleeping much on friday and saturday evening 08:37 < mupuf> and I was taking questions too 08:38 < mupuf> and people wanted to talk about several stuff, like porting nouveau to the BSD 08:39 < mupuf> anyway, must be good for FOSDEM 08:39 < mupuf> as for the election, the nomination period ends on the 13/02 IIRC 08:40 < mupuf> I'll send a reminder email on monday, to tell this is the last week 08:40 < whot> cool, thanks. 08:40 < whot> keithp: any updates on SPI? 08:43 < mupuf> whot: can I give my update on GSoC? 08:44 < mupuf> (since keithp seems to be away) 08:44 < whot> mupuf: yes please 08:44 < mupuf> ok, well, I am not done registering the Org yet, there are a few questions I haven't answered yet 08:45 < mupuf> Alex helped me with some of them by giving me the answers he previously gave, but google have changed the questions a bit 08:45 < stukreit> do you want to mail the questions to the board for help? 08:45 < mupuf> stukreit: oh, sure, good idea 08:46 < mupuf> I'll do that, so as you can also see how I updated Alex's answers 08:46 < stukreit> thanks 08:46 < mupuf> there was one pressing issue though, knowing how many mentors we are going to have and project ideas 08:46 < mupuf> I sent a call yesterday on G+ and the major X.org-related ML 08:47 < stukreit> I suppose the answre is 2 or 3. It's a forecast, after all 08:47 < mupuf> well, previous years, we had between 4 and 5 projects 08:47 < agd5f> yeah, just a forecast. guess based on previous years 08:47 < stukreit> oh ok 08:47 < mupuf> I'll answer that then :) 08:48 < agd5f> I think I said 4-5 or something like that last year 08:48 < mupuf> we still need to add projects to the list 08:48 < marcoz> . 08:48 < mupuf> so far, no projects have been proposed 08:48 < agd5f> need to update the ideas page 08:48 < mupuf> agd5f: in what way? 08:49 < agd5f> mupuf, add new ones, remove completed ones 08:49 < mupuf> ah, right, yeah 08:49 < marcoz> do we still need to dress it up? 08:49 < mupuf> I would like to keep the old ones until we have enpugh new ideas 08:49 < mupuf> it gives people a good template 08:50 <+alanc> last years refresh got us back in after being excluded the year before 08:50 < agd5f> google wants to see a decent ideas page. 2 or 3 years ago we didn't get in because our ideas page wasn't good enough 08:50 < mupuf> 2 years ago, yeah 08:52 < whot> maybe worth pining last year's mentors directly if they have any ideas and be willing to mentor again 08:53 < whot> sometimes you get more from a direct email than from a generic one to the list 08:53 < mupuf> or students ;) 08:53 < mupuf> I guess contacting david herrmann would be a good idea 08:53 < mupuf> he is likely to want to continue working and he'll have good ideas 08:54 < mupuf> I can ask my previous student, he will likely be interested in continuing working on his project 08:54 <+keithp> sorry, dealing with weather here. I've contacted aaron williamson and the SPI president to get their input into building a transition plan. 08:54 < mupuf> whot: you can ask airlied directly 08:55 < whot> can do 08:56 <+keithp> agd5f: I should put together a list of projects that I have; everything from kernel through window systems just dealing with vblank 08:56 -!- marcoz [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56 -!- marcoz [~email@example.com] has joined #xf-bod 08:56 < mupuf> keithp: sounds good :) 08:57 < agd5f> keithp, perfect 08:57 <+keithp> and a bunch of little mesa projects filling in extensions we can do now 08:58 < mupuf> keithp: for gallium + the original mesa drivers? 08:58 <+keithp> mupuf: yup 08:58 < mupuf> damn, the student will have to be good :p 08:59 < whot> ok, we're almost out of time. keithp, any ETA on the SPI plan? 09:00 <+keithp> whot: I'll have something to present next meeting, I'm sure 09:00 < whot> sounds good 09:00 < stukreit> looking forward to it 09:01 < whot> ok, that should be it for today then. any more comments? 09:03 < whot> in that case, the crickets and I decide that the meeting is closed :) 09:03 < whot> thanks for attending, see you in 2 weeks