Date is 2014-01-24, times are UTC+10.
--- Day changed Fri Jan 24 2014 08:01 < mupuf> hi guys :) 08:01 < stukreit> hi 08:01 <+alanc> good afternoon 08:02 <+emmes> hey all 08:02 <+emmes> sorry for not joining the last time 08:02 < marcoz> heho 08:02 < mupuf> :) 08:02 <+emmes> it's exam time here, my time table is nuts 08:03 < mupuf> last time, not much happened IIRC 08:03 < mupuf> so, whot won't make it today 08:03 < mupuf> who wants to be the secretary? 08:03 < stukreit> uh, I'll do it 08:04 <+alanc> "wants" is such a strong word 08:04 < mupuf> stukreit: good :) thanks! 08:04 < mupuf> do we have an agenda? 08:05 <+alanc> election status? 08:05 < mupuf> right, elections, update on the SPI situation (keithp), then XDC 08:06 < mupuf> just finished eating, I'm ready to give an update on the elections and XDC 08:07 < mupuf> well, I guess that means I have the stage 08:07 <+keithp> I have no updates for SPI; afraid systemd/upstart has consumed all of my non-work cycles for weeks now... 08:08 < mupuf> keithp: gosh, so much work to support kernels no-one uses :D 08:08 < mupuf> </troll> 08:08 <+keithp> mupuf: approximately no-one, but no exactly no-one 08:09 < mupuf> so, I guess that leaves me with the elections state 08:09 < mupuf> for the elections, I sent an email about a week ago 08:09 < mupuf> and made up a schedule 08:10 * mupuf is trying to find the link to it 08:10 <+alanc> http://www.x.org/wiki/BoardOfDirectors/Elections/2014/ 08:11 < mupuf> http://www.x.org/wiki/BoardOfDirectors/Elections/2014/ 08:11 < mupuf> ah, you beat me to it 08:11 * alanc scrolled back to when you pasted it in this channel last week 8-) 08:11 < mupuf> so, my schedule is one week longer than what was expected 08:11 < mupuf> but I didn't follow one step which was ... 08:12 < mupuf> ah, yeah, I didn't send a mail before to tell people they need to re-apply for membership 08:12 < mupuf> I sent both mails in one 08:13 < mupuf> should we shift the schedule for that or do we agree that it is no big deal? 08:13 < stukreit> Its early enough in the cycle, I don't see how anyone would complain 08:14 < mupuf> right, I agree 08:14 <+alanc> we haven't expired & required renewals every year 08:14 <+alanc> I think we did last year for the first time in 4 or 5 years 08:14 <+alanc> helped us meet the election quorum 08:14 < mupuf> I think we just need to get new members then 08:14 < mupuf> I'll try to get people to sign up as members @ FOSDEM 08:15 < mupuf> I have a one-hour slot for that :s 08:15 < mupuf> I asked for 20 minutes, but I guess luc didn't want the schedule to look too empty 08:15 < mupuf> and he said, better finish early than late 08:16 < mupuf> I'm sorry though, I haven't updated whot's presentation yet 08:16 < mupuf> I'll ask him to send me the odp (IIRC, he didn't use latex) 08:16 < agd5f> aorry, I'm late. got tied up 08:17 < mupuf> agd5f: no probs Alex, you don't have much to catch up with 08:18 < mupuf> so, is there anything left to discuss about elections? 08:18 < mupuf> Should we try to contact some people to tip them it would be appreciated if they could send candidatures? 08:19 < mupuf> by the way, why aren't the candidatures public? Do we reserve the right to refuse someone's candidature? 08:19 < mupuf> reserve ourselves* 08:19 < stukreit> that's a good idea, it would be good to increase participation 08:20 < mupuf> We can ask Jeremy from Apple again 08:20 < mupuf> don't want to misspell his name 08:21 < mupuf> Huddleston 08:21 * mupuf had Hudson in mind, but IIRC, that's the river in NYC 08:22 < mupuf> anyway, would be nice if everyone could think about someone and tell it here so as the person doesn't get contacted twice 08:23 < mupuf> for the corporates among us, it may be a good idea to look someone from your own company 08:24 < mupuf> as long as we don't have more than 2 of the same company on the board 08:24 < mupuf> ok, let's move to the XDC 08:24 <+keithp> mupuf: I thought you were hosting XDC this year :-) 08:24 < mupuf> keithp: yes, that's indeed a proposition 08:25 < mupuf> Peter contacted LinuxCon to ask if we could co-locate it with the XDC 08:25 < mupuf> to cut on travel expenses 08:25 <+alanc> as far as I know the nominations are private only to allow candidates to decline - we don't get to refuse valid nominations of eligible members which they accept 08:25 < mupuf> alanc: ack :) 08:26 < mupuf> I don't see the problem with the withdrawal being public though 08:26 <+keithp> mupuf: some people might 08:26 < mupuf> So, for XDC co-located with LinuxCon (and LPC), the cost would be in excess of $7500 08:26 * alanc falls back to "thats the way I found it when I got here, and never thought to ask why" 08:27 <+keithp> yikes! 08:27 < mupuf> my proposition was to host it in Bordeaux 08:27 * keithp thinks of how much wine we could get for $7500 08:27 < mupuf> and what we can do is shift our schedule from mid-september to mid-october (to be temporally close to LinuxCon) 08:28 < agd5f> I could look into organizing it in DC. A friend of mine is an event planner 08:28 < mupuf> but still host it in Bordeaux 08:28 < mupuf> agd5f: that will be for next year :p 08:28 <+keithp> mupuf: that might be reasonable 08:28 < marcoz> ftfy, how much _really good_ wine you can get for $7500. 08:28 <+keithp> agd5f: we try to alternate between NA/Europe 08:28 < mupuf> right, I have no probs with that, it is actually nicer on me ;) 08:28 < agd5f> keithp, true that. maybe next time :) 08:29 < mupuf> so, I started looking for info today. I got big eyes from the uni but they told me that if my proposition was accepted, it would cost .... 0€ 08:29 < mupuf> and that's for the nicest amphitheatre + a room for refreshments and food 08:29 < mupuf> so, the only cost for the foundation would be ... cattering 08:29 <+keithp> mupuf: catering 08:30 < mupuf> and possibly a social event 08:30 < mupuf> keithp: thanks 08:30 < stukreit> I guess those orgs see opportunity rather than synergy in including us 08:30 <+keithp> mupuf: otherwise you're talking about domestic animals 08:31 < agd5f> I'm cool with 0€ 08:31 < mupuf> as for the big eyes, it was because she didn't quite get that the conference wouldn't be just a club from bordeaux seeking a room for free ;) 08:31 <+keithp> stukreit: I suspect it's more that the venues aren't universities, and so cost money. LF doesn't generally have budget issues 08:31 < mupuf> so, I contacted the FLOSS professors of my Uni this morning 08:31 < mupuf> and one of them came to my office and was really enthusiastic about it 08:31 <+keithp> mupuf: that's awesome 08:32 < stukreit> awesome+ 08:32 < mupuf> and he told me that even if the uni was to refuse it, we would have 2 other options 08:32 <+keithp> mupuf: I assume october would be during the term though? Would we conflict with classes? 08:32 < mupuf> and the last option is kind of guaranteed because my thesis supervisor is the research head of this 08:32 < mupuf> "organisation" 08:33 < mupuf> no, this is a research amphitheatre 08:33 < mupuf> I mean, almost no classes are given there 08:33 <+keithp> so, something like 8-10 oct then? 08:33 < mupuf> the seats are too comfy :p 08:33 * mupuf has not checked the dates yet 08:33 <+keithp> weekend to get from bordeaux to düsseldorf? 08:33 < mupuf> sounds good 08:33 < agd5f> more of a fundraising auditorium ;) 08:34 < mupuf> agd5f: they use it for thesis presentations 08:34 < mupuf> and small conferences 08:34 <+keithp> mupuf: what we actually want is a more traditional classroom, with even lighting and power for each seat 08:34 < mupuf> it is very easy to access 08:34 < mupuf> this amphitheatre has AV 08:34 <+keithp> we can bring in extension cords, if necessary 08:34 < mupuf> all built in 08:34 <+keithp> sweet 08:35 <+keithp> so, power for the audience :-) 08:35 < mupuf> and there are power sockets almost everywhere 08:35 <+keithp> almost like it was built with laptops in mind 08:35 < jcristau> mupuf: is that in labri? 08:35 < mupuf> jcristau: yep 08:35 <+alanc> sounds like a plan is starting to come together 08:35 < jcristau> i think i know the room then :) 08:35 < mupuf> good thing too, we have HPC teams at my research lab 08:35 < mupuf> jcristau: most likely ;) 08:36 < mupuf> I can get you pictures, it is about 25m away from my office 08:36 < mupuf> some researchers fly quads in it 08:36 < mupuf> so, the HPC teams may be interested in participating 08:36 < mupuf> telling what they work on 08:37 <+keithp> I assume they do gpgpu stuff? 08:37 < mupuf> yeah, a lot 08:37 < mupuf> cl 08:37 <+keithp> seems synergistic 08:37 < mupuf> yeah 08:37 < agd5f> I gotta run and pick up my daughter from daycare. +1 for mupuf's proposal. 08:37 <+keithp> agd5f: thanks for joining! 08:38 < stukreit> +1 for picking up the kid! 08:38 < mupuf> and the amphitheatre is big-enough to allow students to come whenever they want 08:38 < mupuf> we could try to enroll some of them in our ranks 08:38 <+keithp> 'you can leave once you've got your patch reviewed and merged' 08:39 < mupuf> my uni hosted the RMLL in 2010 and people still talk about it 08:39 <+alanc> RMLL? 08:39 < mupuf> that's an international conference with a french name :s 08:39 <+keithp> Rencontres Mondials du Logiciel Libre 08:39 < mupuf> rencontres mondiale sur les logiciels libres 08:40 < mupuf> right, international meeting of the OSS 08:40 <+keithp> fosdem, but in french 08:40 <+alanc> ah, that'd be the second hit when I googled, behind the Rocky Mountain Lacrosse League 08:40 < mupuf> keithp: that's not in french, it is in english 08:40 < mupuf> Sarah Sharp was there and, as far as I know, she only speaks english 08:41 <+keithp> heh 08:41 < mupuf> so, the venue is nice 08:41 < mupuf> then, I thought about food 08:41 <+keithp> she's about 10m away, but engaged in email at present or I could have asked :-) 08:41 <+alanc> and it was nice to see the air traffic control research at XDC in toulouse and the student involvement in chicago 08:41 <+keithp> mupuf: xdc is built on credible food 08:41 < mupuf> keithp: don't know her, only know her husband 08:41 < mupuf> we have quite a few possibilities too 08:42 < mupuf> crêpes, pizza, burgers, general french cuisine, döner kebab, melted cheese + stuff in bread (panini), sandwhiches or the student cafetaria 08:42 < mupuf> or the supermarket 08:43 < mupuf> all those are less than 5 minutes away by foot 08:43 < marcoz> mupuf: you're making me hungry 08:43 < mupuf> there are more options a little further away 08:43 < mupuf> marcoz: ;) 08:43 <+keithp> mupuf: not sure I've ever been to a town in france and had any trouble finding decent food... 08:43 < mupuf> the real cuisine would be at night though 08:43 < mupuf> I was thinking about having you stay in the city center 08:44 < mupuf> Bordeaux is a very pretty city with good restaurants 08:44 < mupuf> at all prices 08:44 < mupuf> and we have some nice pubs 08:44 < mupuf> in the morning, you would have to take the tramway to get to the uni 08:45 <+keithp> mupuf: looks like the venue would be a couple km from the city center? 08:45 < mupuf> that's a 20 minutes ride 08:45 < mupuf> yeah, I run that distance when I come back home too late, so it isn't too much 08:45 < mupuf> and the tram is running until midnight or 1am, depending on the day 08:45 < mupuf> a 7-day pass is 11€ too 08:46 < mupuf> so, people can take it as much as they want 08:46 < mupuf> we'll just need to start later than 8am, because it will be packed with students 08:46 < mupuf> packed as in Paris-style 08:46 <+keithp> mupuf: that seems compatible with our usual schedule 08:46 < mupuf> right 08:47 < mupuf> for the restaurants, we'll have to make reservations because they aren't that big 08:47 < mupuf> but I guess we could have a list of restaurants, people would write their names and I would call them at 11am 08:47 <+keithp> meal planning generally starts a few months before the conference for me anyways 08:47 < mupuf> ahah 08:47 <+keithp> long before presentations are written 08:48 < mupuf> I haven't started looking into the social event yet 08:48 < mupuf> but there are quite a few options if we agree to rent a bus 08:48 < mupuf> or take a train 08:48 < mupuf> but not sure we are disciplined-enough to take it all together :D 08:49 <+keithp> could do something at the weekend for a day trip before going to LC 08:49 < mupuf> anyway, we could visit saint emilion, the best Bordeaux wine village 08:49 <+alanc> well, have months to plan all the details 08:49 < mupuf> yes, that's what I had in mind 08:50 <+alanc> initially we need to make sure we can get the venue reserved for the dates we want before telling people to make travel plans 08:50 < mupuf> oh, I should be able to get some help from the team assistants too, they may have ideas 08:50 < mupuf> but they will be able to provide us with maps and hotels 08:50 < mupuf> ack 08:50 < mupuf> so, if you are ok with it, I'll write the application letter next week (to let one of the prof answer me) 08:51 -!- agd5f [~email@example.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:51 < mupuf> with my thesis director, the enthusiastic prof and the other one (who organized the RMLL in Bordeaux), I'm almost sure it will work out perfectly 08:51 < mupuf> especially since we'll invite students too 08:52 < mupuf> (we have an HPC option/course for the master students) 08:52 * mupuf shouldn't say "we", I don't teach in this uni 08:53 <+alanc> sounds good to me, +1 for mupuf proceeding to try to get a venue in Bordeaux for Oct. 8-10 08:53 <+keithp> yeah, definitely +1 from me as well 08:53 <+alanc> and you already have +1 from agd5f on his way out 08:53 < mupuf> as for travelling, from Paris, you'll have the choice between the french high speed train (not that high speed at the moment) (3 to 4h) or the air plane 08:54 < mupuf> the good thing about the train is that the train station is directly next to the airport you'll likely land at 08:55 < marcoz> +1 from me too. 08:55 < stukreit> +1 08:56 < mupuf> emmes: ? 08:56 < mupuf> I'll need to ask for the internet though, I didn't think about this 08:56 < mupuf> but that should be fine 08:57 < mupuf> we could add an access point ourselves if needed 08:57 < mupuf> (with the blessing of the tech guys) 08:57 <+keithp> I suspect there may be some wireless available, and presumably they can support guests somehow 08:58 < mupuf> well, I always use the authenticated wifi 08:58 < mupuf> either the international research one (eduroam) or the local one 08:58 < mupuf> there is an open one though, never tried it 08:59 < mupuf> we have 2 networks anyway, one that requires the blessing of the admins and one that is open for everyone (ethernet only) 08:59 < mupuf> the admins are very cool, we'll get what we need 09:00 <+keithp> in any case, I think we can wrap this up so I can get on to my next meeting? 09:00 < mupuf> midnight, I guess that wraps up the meeting :) 09:00 < mupuf> +1 09:00 < stukreit> +1 09:00 <+alanc> +1 09:01 < mupuf> stukreit: thanks for taking care of summarizing all that :) 09:01 <+alanc> Summary: XDC2014: There will be wine 09:02 < stukreit> sure, I'll skip the pleasantries. it will be short. 09:02 < mupuf> alanc: :p 09:03 < stukreit> Good tag line 09:03 < marcoz> +1 (if still needed to adjorn) 09:03 < mupuf> marcoz: :) 09:03 < mupuf> marcoz: you'll get another possibility of getting lost in a french city ;) 09:04 < marcoz> mupuf: it turned out quite well last time. :) 09:04 < mupuf> you're lucky that this part of town is very much like your blocks 09:04 <+emmes> mupuf: sorry, lost connection for some 10mins 09:04 < mupuf> but with more stones 09:04 < mupuf> emmes: np 09:04 <+emmes> I'm +1 for it as well 09:05 < marcoz> nice. I"m definitely more of a fan of the grid rather than winding and circling streets 09:05 < mupuf> toulouse is hard, even for me ;) 09:05 < marcoz> then I'm screwed. lol 09:05 < mupuf> no you aren't, we'll be in Bordeaux ;) Toulouse was in 2010 ;) 09:06 < marcoz> i mean, if I'm ever back in Toulouse. 09:06 -!- agd5f [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #xf-bod 09:06 < mupuf> ah, right ;) 09:07 <+emmes> ok, seems we're done :) thanks! 09:08 < marcoz> ok, i gotta boogie out of here as well. 09:09 < marcoz> mupuf: I'm looking forward to Bordeaux (knock on wood) 09:09 < mupuf> :) I will be glad to have you in our nice campus 09:09 < mupuf> too bad it is going to be october though 09:10 < mupuf> less chances of being able to enjoy the sun in the grass, by the small artificial pond 09:10 < mupuf> with ducks 09:10 < marcoz> :) 09:10 < marcoz> still sounds great